barack obama was right about it. and as president, he brought us home from that war honorably and decently. not an easy thing to do. >> so the aim time line george w. bush had. let me ask you -- >> come on. do you think that's a proud record george bush had? >> no, it's not. >> what's wrong with pointing that out in. >> are you going to let me talk? this is so sad, david. let's talk about afghanistan. >> yeah. >> are you guys glad that barack obama tripled the number of troops in afghanistan, which we all opposed around this table, and kept american troops there fighting and dying after we all knew -- >> yet again -- yet again -- here. if i can answer the question. barack obama comes into office. we're at war in afghanistan. it is a mess. and you're faced with all kinds of horrendous problems. we may leave in 2014, and you may find, as dexter filkins in his report in "the new yorker" said a civil war that follows. there could be horrendous tragedy there. no one is saying -- and certainly not in this magazine -- i don